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See \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.joelonsoftware.com\u002Fitems\u002F2008\u002F04\u002F16.html\">Joel's post\u003C\u002Fa> and \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.codinghorror.com\u002Fblog\u002Farchives\u002F001101.html\">Jeff's post\u003C\u002Fa>.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Although we have ambivalent feelings about \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.experts-exchange.com\u002F\">Expert's Exchange\u003C\u002Fa>, what we're doing with Stack Overflow is similar, and they do have a sense of humor -- and invited me to a conference.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>We will be using the \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fcreativecommons.org\u002Flicense\u002Fresults-one?license_code=by-sa&wiki=true\">cc-wiki licensing terms\u003C\u002Fa> for content posted on Stack Overflow.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Hopefully we can ship before \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.uberreview.com\u002F2008\u002F06\u002F15-years-of-windows-apps-in-linux-wine-hits-version-10.htm\">Wine\u003C\u002Fa> (which just hit version 1 after 15 years) and Duke Nukem Forever. Check out \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fduke.a-13.net\u002F\">a list of things that have happened\u003C\u002Fa> since Duke Nukem Forever began development.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>I confess that I was shocked to find out, while listening to our own podcasts, I wasn't hearing everything Joel was saying! Listening is hard. Make sure you're thinking about this the next time you listen to someone.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Joel has fun with \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.instantrimshot.com\u002F\">instantrimshot.com\u003C\u002Fa> and I mention \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fsadtrombone.com\u002F\">sadtrombone.com\u003C\u002Fa> ; these are excellent examples of the emerging classes of \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.kottke.org\u002F08\u002F02\u002Fsingle-serving-sites\">single-serving websites\u003C\u002Fa>.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>You crazy hackers figured out our super-secret beta website URL! I invite participation for the upcoming private beta, but our in-development site is not suitable for human consumption at this point. There is a special prize for those hardy few that \"hacked\" their way into the development site, though.  \u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>A brief discussion of the badges that you can earn while participating in the Stack Overflow site. \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fen.wikipedia.org\u002Fwiki\u002FStinking_badges\">We don't need no stinkin' badges\u003C\u002Fa>, of course, but I think they'll be fun and complimentary to the reputation system.   \u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Stack Overflow edits will only be possibly for users who have earned a little bit of reputation on the site by actively participating. This is where we diverge a smidge from Wikipedia, which still (amazingly!) allows regular anonymous edits. But I think it's a reasonable compromise: anonymous people can ask and answer, but not edit.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Jarrod did a tremendous job of getting our one-click build set up: it deploys the database, the code, and even runs unit tests against the website before deploying it. We're using \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fmsdn.microsoft.com\u002Fen-us\u002Flibrary\u002F0k6kkbsd.aspx\">MSBuild\u003C\u002Fa> and \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.nunit.org\u002Findex.php\">nUnit\u003C\u002Fa>.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Joel references \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.amazon.com\u002Fdp\u002F0471197130\u002F?tag=codinghorror-20\">AntiPatterns: Refactoring Software, Architectures, and Projects in Crisis (Paperback)\u003C\u002Fa>, and describes a few of the anti-patterns he's seen while developing small apps at Fog Creek for internal use.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>On \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.hjiang.net\u002Fwp\u002F2008\u002F01\u002F05\u002Fjoel-spolskys-talk-at-yale\u002F\">the dangers of being an internal IT developer\u003C\u002Fa>. 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It makes working with Subversion a pleasure instead of a chore, at least in my opinion.   \u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>At Fog Creek, they're switching to \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.selenic.com\u002Fmercurial\u002Fwiki\u002F\">Mercurial\u003C\u002Fa> source control, which like \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fgit.or.cz\u002F\">Git\u003C\u002Fa> is part of the new, emerging class of distributed version control.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Source control remains \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.codinghorror.com\u002Fblog\u002Farchives\u002F000643.html\">the bedrock of software engineering\u003C\u002Fa>. I meet so few software developers, myself included, that really understand source control. Just \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.codinghorror.com\u002Fblog\u002Farchives\u002F000660.html\">avoid SourceSafe at all costs\u003C\u002Fa>, and understand \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.codinghorror.com\u002Fblog\u002Farchives\u002F000968.html\">the value of branching and merging\u003C\u002Fa>.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003C\u002Fli>\n\u003Cli>\n\u003Cp>Is there anything positive anyone can possibly say about \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fwww.microsoft.com\u002FWindowsmobile\u002Fdefault.mspx\">Windows Mobile\u003C\u002Fa>? How can something six versions old be this terrible? It should be razed to the ground and reinvented, ala Zune and Xbox 360. Can \u003Ca href=\"http:\u002F\u002Fcode.google.com\u002Fandroid\u002Fwhat-is-android.html\">Google's Android\u003C\u002Fa> be like Windows Mobile, sans all the sucking? 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